I just found a nice collection of Donald Marshall info summered in 8 minutes. These videos was lost and now someone did this great job so check it out:
I have posted before cloning info via Donald Marshall posts, but now “they” or elite or what ever NWO are pushing cloning to your faces blatantly. Now the cat is out of the bag. This is it. They have revealed it to the public by allowing these celebrities talk about it. Talk about what? That they are just clones, elites clones to make money for them They can be scrapped and placed with a new one if they don’t dance with their pipes.
Here are some text from the company called Clonaid and they blatantly told you that they have cloned people from 2002. So What else can I say? The end is here, because “we” the real people will be obsolete if we allow this to continue. Donald Marshall told this to us in the year 2012 and we didn’t listen. Now it is on our faces…
Here are some excerpts form Cloneaid’s website:
Commending Michael Jackson’s ‘pioneer vision of cloning,’
LAS VEGAS, July 8 – After fielding numerous inquiries about the possible cloning of Michael Jackson, Dr. Brigitte Boisselier, head of Clonaid, today reaffirmed the company’s policy of strictly respecting the privacy of each of its patients.
“Clonaid prides itself on never releasing the identity of the numerous individuals who have been cloned in the past six years,” Boisselier said. “Even if that policy has been at the cost of my reputation, it’s important for us that the celebrities and other interested parties contacting us know they won’t be betrayed.”
Boisselier expressed admiration for Michael Jackson as an artist and also commended his courage in expressing support for human cloning at a time when it was getting much negative publicity in the press.
“Michael was a visionary who wasn’t afraid to embrace new technologies,” she said. “I’m glad his interest in cloning is being revealed now, since he was a pioneer in his views about it back in 2002 and his fans ought to know about it.”
“Human cloning is still making headlines six years after the birth of the first clone child,” Boisselier added. “But even if the media still present it as being too controversial, the public is much less afraid of it than it was initially. People have gotten used to the idea to the point where many see it as highly desirable. ”
She said that although the Clonaid team has received cloning requests from around the world, a surprisingly large number come from the Los Angeles/Hollywood area.
“Artists welcome our technology and have given us tremendous encouragement,” Boisselier noted. “Thanks to them, the public is getting more accustomed to the idea and hopefully the bans will soon be removed.”
She said Clonaid’s sister company, Stemaid, has launched an anti-aging program using stem cells derived from clone embryos.
“This development is also getting a good reception in the artists’ community,” she said.
The word “cloning” etymologically comes from the Greek and means “asexual reproduction”. Two types of human cloning need to be differentiated: therapeutic cloning and reproductive cloning.
Therapeutic cloning enables the creation of embryonic stem cells. Stem cells are multi-functional cells which can be further specialized into brain cells, liver cells etc. These stem cells are genetically identical to the ones of the original cell donor and can therefore be used to create specialized cells artificially in order to fight diseases and eventually even create genetically compatible organs.
Reproductive human cloning gives life to a new human being. Until recently only sexual reproduction or artificial reproduction techniques e.g. IVF existed. Reproductive cloning represents a new reproduction technique by which life can be given to an identical twin of the original cell donor.
Who is it for ?
Therapeutic cloning can be used to fight diseases and create organs artificially. Once specialized cells can be derived from cloned embryos the following diseases threatening millions of people on earth can be treated:
- Brain disorders like Parkinson and Alzheimer thanks to derived brain cells
- Diabetes thanks to derived insulin-producing pancreatic islet cells
- Spinal cord damage thanks to derived nerve cells<
- Autoimmune disorders such as multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis thanks to derived cells of blood and bone marrow Cancer
In addition, it will help to save the lives of the thousands of people worldwide waiting for an organ transplantation by helping to create artificial organs. Not only is it difficult today to obtain an organ but even if organs are available many are being rejected by the body because of incompatibility; let alone the brutal way some organs are being obtained i.e. by buying them from people in third world countries or even extracting them without the donor’s consent ! Therapeutic cloning will eventually provide genetically 100% compatible organs such as livers, kidneys etc. and therefore save the lives of those who would perish without it.
Reproductive human cloning helps:
- Infertile couples: we have helped many infertile couples who couldn’t have children even after years of infertility treatments. For those people cloning is the only way to have a child of their own genetic offspring.
- Homosexuals: they cannot have a child today that is 100% related to them genetically but human cloning provides this possibility for them.
- Families who lost a beloved relative: human cloning can give life a second time to the same genetic code who has died at an early age for example.
And if that is not enough here is ther interview of the rapper called Kid Buu and he just blatantly talks how he is a clone and Cucci the other rapper is a clone… so this is just stunnig. They just blew it wide open:
Have you noticed how celebrities say or do songs about selling their soul for fame and fortune? That is kind of true, but I think it is a different kind of selling and this article explains it quite well:
Above is an example of what cloning centers look like.
Background Info On Donald
THC (TheHighersideChats): “In 2011, Donald Marshall unleashed his first public disclosure on the internet with a letter describing his abuses in a vast underground program of human cloning by parasitic non-human entities in conjunction with the worlds shadowy elite. He detailed several types of cloning done at these underground bases, most notably REM driven clones, where as long as they’ve created a second body for this individual their consciousness can be transported to these hidden husks at the press of a button. Not only is this the elites main method of meet-ups in the modern world, but also the technological solution to their blood lust and desire to torture and abuse children to no end. and since Donalds come forward as an Illuminati whistleblower he hasn’t been shy about naming those from the political and entertainment realms that he has met down below, from Queen Elizabeth to Henry Kissinger, Hilary Clinton and Obama, to Bernie Mac, Tila Tequila, Kurt Cobain and Mila Kunis. But as odd as this all sounds there is a recent trend of celebrities actually tweeting about cloning centers and their own abuses…”
Donald: “REM cloning, when you go to sleep, you get zapped, transferred, your consciousness into a clone, you don’t have dreams anymore, Britney Spears, none of them, have dreams anymore. They just have clone time where they walk around and talk, a little dumber then they normally would be. It’s all very clear, it’s not like dream, slap yourself in the face, you won’t wake up though. And they just got more and more depraved over the years. I’ve been there since I was five years old, was memory repressed until about 30, and then I remembered, it was like the matrix when it all floods back to you….”
Let’s pause here and note the Hollywood disclosure, if what Donald is saying is true:
REM Driven Cloning Cleverly Hidden in the TV series “Jonathan Strange And Mr Norrell”
This British fantasy series that appeared on Netflix is all about magick and the occult. One of these practicing “light” magicians got mixed up in the “dark” arts when his wife becomes gravely ill. Upon her death, he is so stricken he seeks out the dark magician known only as “The Gentleman” who can bring her back, but at a price. He says that “for half her life, her soul is mine.” Not understanding these cryptic words, our protagonist agrees. As it turns out, half her life means her sleeping half, her dreams, in other words, no longer belong to her. Every night upon sleeping Lady Pole is transported to a dark ball or party, where people dance in the courtyard of the Gentleman’s castle, in perpetuity. Lady Pole is forced to dance with the Gentleman, and with other men there.
Could it be that all the attendees at this ball are victims of this dark magician? Tricked into selling their soul, half their life, their sleeping half, to him?
Losing her dreams slowly drives Lady Pole mad in the waking world. She soon fears falling asleep and will do anything to stay awake. As we all know this is detrimental to the health.
Could this be why we often see pictures of celebrities looking gaunt and sleepless? The media spins it as drugs, but perhaps it’s because they are afraid to go to sleep and be sucked into a clone body and forced to participate in depraved rituals and acts of violence and torture.
Lady Pole is also under a spell that forbids her from talking about it, whenever she tries to disclose, she instead spews out old nursery rhymes and gobbledook:
This “being unable to squeal” could be a sneaky reference to the blackmail and pressure put on these victims not to talk about cloning. As we will see, the amount of torture that is at their fingertips has been increased exponentially with REM driven cloning.
James Cameron’s Movie “Avatar” Discloses REM Driven Consciousness Transfer
The other Hollywood disclosure that discloses REM driven cloning, or simply consciousness transfer, is the movie Avatar. The question was posed to Donald on his website:
“Question……….Donald is it similar to the movie Avatar, where the guy gets into a cryogenic type of tube, goes to sleep, and his brain is then wired to a clone of the indigenous alien of the planet they’re visiting, so he is able to walk amongst the tribal aliens while his anchor body is in the ship?”
Donald Marshall………..” exactly…. they made this movie….Inception too…..many….trying to give a veiled warning to the world for when I filled in the blanks.(source)“
The protagonist “Jake” goes into the machine and falls asleep.
His consciousness is then woken up in an Avatar clone body made with his own DNA.
So Why Is Donald The Only One Who Can Talk?
Donald: “At 5 I was brought there to be a diddle kid, to be molested by rich old men or women or whatever, but I would cry and they felt bad for me, which is rare because they don’t feel bad much.
So they asked me, is there anything else you can do? Do any singing or dancing? So I starting singing a song. And they said wow that’s great. So I made another song, and soon someone famous used one of my songs, and I became this magical organic jukebox they could kick and a song would come out.
People think im trying to brag, I’m not, it’s actually shameful because I made a lot of money for a lot of evil people, and the propagation of an alien infestation body snatching thing. and this is why I keep getting brought back and why I am still alive.
The first song I wrote was “Lady,” for Kenny Rogers, and sang it there trying to show off for Queen Elizabeth. I sang it right to her. She is a depraved pervert, she was born literally retarded, she is wack, also from being in proximity to scary aliens at cloning your entire life. Everyone at cloning is afraid of her and does what she says. well I didn’t want to go there, after a time i gathered up my courage ad told her i didn’t want to go. she was always setting me up to be a victim. the song making was a bonus. she wanted to make me a victim. She wanted to make it look like I was a bad person so people wouldn’t attempt to speak up for me. Because she has nothing, she basically runs the place, she is not a victim or hostage she runs the place, and everyone is afraid to say that they don’t want to go there, because that would insinuate that they don’t want to be her friend. The entire royal family is there. Charles is crazy too. You see, in the past it was only politicians, it was a meeting place for politicians to discuss worldly affairs, and in the event of emergencies smooth things over. But then everybody started getting bored. So then they started bringing Marylin Monroe and different film stars to make it more exciting. That kept going, it turned into this exclusive club where everyone would go do depraved things and be a “superhero” that can’t die. You can die as a clone and you’ll live in real life. And they have a way of turning off the pain sensors so you can jump down the stairs and break all the bones in your body and look up and laugh and die, and come back into the next clone body. If they have at least two of you made, they can make multiples and leave them to be activated one after the other.
But Elizabeth has no gimmick. When she’s there all she has – I mean, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are there, everybody you can think of, all the biggest people are there. And she is an attention whore, she has nothing, she waves and says “I’m the Queen of England” and she goes “I’m very powerful and rich,” and then she has to sit her fat ass down because she has no talent or skills. So when she found me, she then had a little doggie, that she could control, and walk around on a leash in front of everyone, and say, “look at this magical boy that can sing songs out of thin air!”
THC: “Was it Nicki Minaj, no, Kesha came out and said “Hey! I’m forced to use certain lyrics in my music I dont want to. How does this work? Does it make it more hypnotic? Is there an esoteric element to these lyrics as well?”
I can explain. Nicki Minaj and Kesha both used songs that I was forced to make. Let’s go back to 1980. I was making these songs, and a bunch of freaks there thought there were religious connotations from what I was singing. Some even thought I was being whispered these songs, lyrics and melodies from God, even though a percentage of them don’t even believe in God there. Well after a time, in the 80’s I was making songs for Bon Jovi, only a few on each album. But after a time, people only wanted to listen to those two or three songs. A good example is the Georgia Satellites, they got a song from me called “Keep your hands to yourself” and they were like a one hit wonder, because of that one song, and that was the one song I made for them. He even went onto “Much Music” here in Canada, and said “listen there are other songs on the album why don’t you listen to those to?”
Well I couldn’t come up with ideas sometimes so then Elizabeth and the rest of them would threaten me with being harmed, tortured, literary they can cut the skin off you there. and it feels just like real…it’s a good motivational tool. It worked, eventually I would start singing a song. I referenced this in many songs about getting tortured in dreams, and hearts and souls and stuff, it’s all like vague hints about cloning, some of them aren’t vague at all. Some of them are very obvious, and I did them all to use in the future when I eventually betrayed them and came out publically. However I thought I would only get one shot at this and then they would kill me. But little did I know they were never going to kill me, they want me to talk about this. They are all cowards, no-one wants to be the first person to talk about it, and they are using me as like scape goat to do that. And noone wants to be the first person to corroborate my claims either, because they never know if they are going to be killed. Many have already been killed.”
What “Megadeth” Means
According to Marshall he wrote some songs for the death metal band Megadeth and even appeared on one of their album covers:
Whether or not that is him is not as important perhaps as what he reveals about the hidden meaning of the term “Megadeath” for it is not a name but a term for the worst kind of torture imaginable there. Basically in a nutshell they torture your clone to death and upload your consciousness back into another copy of yourself and repeat the process, again and again. Hence its not just death by torture, but mega – death, or multiple deaths by torture. This technique is precisely what they hold over them, all the celebrities and politicians who go there and wish they didnt have to anymore, who wish to talk, to get this out there and these sick elites found out and arrested for their heinous acts against humanity. They can’t because of fear of mega-death.
We see this theme in the hit TV show Black Mirror, which discloses lots of this stuff, in the guise of futuristic sci-fi. In their last episode of season 4 called “Black Museum” a girl finds a small rustic museum at a truck stop in the middle of nowhere in the American Mid-west. The owner of the museum shows her horrific technological marvels that come with playing with consciousness transfer. The most horrid exhibit reveals a pale ghostly inmate, his consciousness is stuck in his moment of death – getting fried in the electric chair- and this memory gets repeated back to him on an endless loop – a mind trapped in mega-death. Endless torture, always on.
Corroborating Evidence For The Cloning Centers
Nicki Minaj, Tila Tequila, B.O.B (who for some reason is talking openly about it on his Youtube channel), Ariana Grande (hinting about REM cloning).
Watch the full interview here:
Donald Marshall is the most important so called whistleblower in the conspiracy world. His information fills in all the gaps with the information. Clones, cloning centers and vril-lizard-droning agenda is the most crucial info you have to look at. If you haven’t researched it, don’t judge before you do… here is a small starter:
Donald Marshall – the Vrill have a proboscis on their exoskeletal spine that shoots a parasitic worm containing the intelligence of the vrill into someone’s eye, then into the brain where it controls them and the vrill gets to experience life as a human, albeit a dumber and more evil human known then as a drone. There are many Vrill in society walking around trying to enjoy life as humans… but they’re detectable… with catscans and other tests- sometimes they have one eye swelled out more than the other due to the “transition” and theyre way more dumb than the original person…. but smarter than normal Vrill… as they adapt to higher intelligence but are still dumb… they have a vacant look, there are medical ways to detect them… drones do a LOT of the unbelievable evils you hear in the world [They] are very loyal slaves… they just like the opportunity to be humans,… they say the quality of life is better…. they become smarter…. like a really dumb guy… and they’re evil child molesters, half turn gay other half are bisexual
they put so much stuff on tv and in music, they get a sense of power when they throw it in the worlds face
it’s usually 1 of 2 things… bad illuminuts throwing it in the worlds face (they love doing that) makes em feel powerful. Or it’s good scared attendees trying to inform the world in the only possible way they can without getting killed or hurt at the cloning center. (making hints and references) Like I did trying to insert hints in the lyrics of the songs I was forced to make for them.
This shit is so in your face, that if you don’t wake-up now, you’re better off dead. We are soooo late that it is now or never… it’s time to wake up!!! Search Donald Marshall:
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Just want to bring up couple of good videos, which contain pretty good Donald Marshall info. Check them out:
Donald Marshall (Fri. December 2, 2011) – George had them light me on fire for the end of his movie Revenge of the Sith, Said he wanted Hayden Christiensen to scream realisticly, Hayden watched me listened to me scream and groan in pain and copied the sounds exactly, he knows all about it. As does Natalie Portman, and a quarter of the cast. Many directors have used me like that, in a role playing situation, cause me some kind of excruciating pain just to see what kind of squeak or screech I will make, as if I were less than a dog, then when I’m a bloody mess on the floor they crawl on my broken body and sodomize me saying something like they love me and can’t control themselves because I made all they’re favorite songs and I’m so “special”. Broken ribs bending and internal bleeding, me crying or screaming if I am able, but they just keep on going and they videotape this so they can view it again like evil pornography.
Donald Marshall (January 2014) – They’re down with cloning,… I had to think up idea’s for both Bethesda and Lucas arts. George Lucas bothered me a lot there, thinking I was just going to die anyway. He’s gonna get it though.
Donald Marshall (Mon. June 24, 2013) – Star Wars concept is not an original idea, George Lucas extrapolated his intrepretation of the Nostradamus prophecy to make it. Just space age setting.
Same basic storyline
Donald Marshall (October 2012) – Vrill were accurately portrayed in the star wars movie (attack of the clones) they are ashamed of their appearance and wanted to see what people would say about them… it was George Lucas’s was of informing on them without informing, and without being killed.
Donald Marshall (October 2012) – George Lucas was told the long necked trolls wanted to be in a movie…. He put them in star wars attack of the clones. Kaminoans. Google image. Exact depiction.
Donald Marshall (October 2012) – Vrill were accurately portrayed in the star wars movie (attack of the clones) they are ashamed of their appearance and wanted to see what people would say about them… it was George Lucas’s was of informing on them without informing, and without being killed.
Question (November 2012) – You said Peter Jackson went to the Cloning Centre? This creepy guy let 27 horses die in the making of the Hobbit… What is he like at the Centre?
Donald Marshall – He acts like he’s a lord of the land and untouchable… george lucas and steven speilberg do too… all the rich ones do, until a politically powerful person talks down to them and then they hush up and look to the floor.
Donald Marshall (Tue. June 18, 2013) – They wanted to be seen in the movie Star Wars “attack of the clones” to gauge public opinion on their appearance… they used the best looking younger vrill type they could copy from.
Kaminoans they are called in the movie… they run a cloning operation in the movie LMAO!!!
George Lucas and the others at the clone zone were only too happy to put them in the movie… to identify them in future somehow…
Donald Marshall (April 2013) – they make the cartoon the clone wars… disney just bought the rights to star wars from george lucas, who also has a clone attends
all the biggest people in hollywood,… many are host…parasite hosts os lizards
Donald Marshall (Wed. July 24, 2013) – Moammar Ghaddafi was and IS STILL an illuminati puppet. But the Rebel leadership in Libya was ALSO illuminati run, just in case they need to replace Ghaddafi. So the illuminasty didn’t really care too much about Moammar getting ousted in Libya,… they just slip a new puppet on the hand after he’s gone and continue to run Libya how they want.
Donald Marshall (Fri. April 5, 2013) – Moammar Ghaddafi and Saddam Hussein were both dictators.
thats why they called Ghadaffi Colonel Ghadaffi because he and the army conducted a coup (military takeover) overthrowing the Shah of Libya at the time,… so in the interim until things settled down Colonel Ghadaffi had total say because of some law, and stayed colonel, disbanded the army and just stayed colonel like 40 years lol
Ghaddafi isn’t even dead, that was a clone they showed killed on the video, whole thing was set up.
Syro De-j – Donald have you got more info on this??? Ghaddafi isn’t even dead, that was a clone they showed killed on the video, whole thing was set up.
I have always felt this was the case, but cannot find info on it. Cheers brother
Donald Marshall – That’s because there is no info on it it’s supposed to be a secret lol
Michael J Kahnke (January 2014) – Hey, Donald Marshall.
Can you tell us a story about ‘Uncle Mo’? It turns out he had a Rape Station in his home where he traumatized 14-year-olds into being Sex Slaves. Apparently, he was no ‘Holy Dweller in Tents’.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/Uncovered-The-macabre-sex-cham… Uncovered: The macabre sex chamber of Libya’s Colonel Gaddafi where he raped girls – and boys – as young as 14
Donald Marshall – he’s still alive… that was a clone they killed… everyone that captured him were in on it… it was a big stageplay and he had his pain sensors turned off… you’ll never find the body. that kind of clone decomposes differently than a normal human body and then the farce would be known.
Talked to Moammar lot’s of times, since I was 5. He used to sit there and watch me make songs. He had lots of stuff underground. he supposedly had his own private cloning center over there… they’re not going to put that in the news though…
Moammar Ghaddafi used to pretend to be my friend there when I was a kid, only to make me the brunt of a or make himself look “cool” in some way… celebs thought I was some sort of freak with all the songs and ideas, right/ They wanted to watch me, see how I talk and Moammar would want to be in their feild of vision… because not too many of them want to talk to or look at him…lol
So i’d open my eyes as a kid and be in some car garage, and he wanted to show me all of his cars n shit… and theres 2 thugs and a cameraman there recording… the clones at the main cloning center wanted to watch to see what I thought of the cars…. and Moammar was only too happy to be in the camera frame…
they would all do that…. like… show off through me… then, they’re telling me all about their nefarious exploits in the world they’ve done… creepy things done to people and situations… just to show off for all the others there… and they tried to top each other like a contest lol…
Michael J Kahnke – So, the ‘takedown’ of Libya appeared to consist of a bunch of CIA-Alqueda operatives. From what little I read it looked like a systematic takedown with LOTS of foreign involvement. At some point, Ghaddafi’s departure was planned and executed, with Libya’s independent banking system destroyed. It looks like he cut a deal.
Donald Marshall – he did. supposed to be somewhere in Gaza now.
Donald Marshall (Sun. November 11, 2012) – Moammar Ghaddafi is there too,…smelliest clone I have ever encountered
Astral Light – Don talks about Gadaffi at 32:04 – 32:38 in the video below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh2u9x1E_To Donald Marshall’s First Interview
Donald Marshall (October 2012) – Elizabeth asking me how she will be spared… prime evils there looking for a way out… a contingency plan… they were certan I would sugarcoat,… and decieve the world… masquerade as Jesus in this master plan of theirs… I said I would,… then got my memory unrepressed and betrayed hard…🙂 🙂
All it takes is a push of a button on computer at the cloning center to unrepress your memory, and depending on how much content they sometimes have to gradually give you the back memories or you go nutsy. they WANTED me to expose vrill n drones… and cloning… but wanted to not kill all vrill n drones or shut down all cloning centers and sugarcoat events that transpire there… play the savior but help them run the world from a “shadow seat” in the stands of the cloning center, where the same stuff would happen but world would look to me as savior n stuff… they wanted to go along with prophecies and use me to control the population somewhat and try to institute rules they want and like be a religious figurehead…. now \i had been memory repressed for like 25 years since age 5 and really wanted to get out and get help, get it all stopped… contd—> they could somehow tell what your thinking sometimes,… they truth serum ya and scan yer brain with tech… now after watching murders and kids dyin eaten n stuff I knew I HAD to find a way… was imperative… but they knew how to get the truth… so kind of like stockholme syndrome, (love your captors) I had to half convince myself that I liked them, the organization and world leaders were my friends and surrogate family… I had to convince myself of this, (and it was difficult) because they test you so much to see if youll talk,… they dont care if you do its just they dont want to have to kill you… SO singing to them, slappin 5 with Moammar Ghaddafi there… all of them… I held them in awe with the songmaking ability,… I had to devise a way… cuz no one escapes… but I would find a way… cont’d—>they didnt want to kill me, they wanted to use me for their plan… but they wanted me IN on the plan… they wanted no complications…. SO was so monotonous… tested nightly for a while… had to psychologically convince myself they were my surrogate family… fool myself almost like… was the only way… they unrepressed my memory… I got smarter in real life and as a clone there… the memory repression was like sapping my intelligence by like 20-25%… they call it an awakening… doesn’t actually make u smarter, just gives you back smarts that are like withheld… think faster and clearer… before I had a haze on my brain that I thought everyone had… was there all the time so just was normal to me… haze is gone now… thats how it works. so found out all i needed to know, what it was who was in charge who ran stuff techs they had… \i’m like the worst curious george… when I figured I knew all neccessary info I let it loose… but didnt know where to go… beginning sucked… they were ready… only thing they dont have is internet… and theyre workin on that… they talk about anything and everything… see Brad Pitt is there…. Madonna is there…. and just about any super celeb u can think of is there… SO also the politicians are there, biggest world leaders…. this is where it went way haywire… politicians showing off power to pretty celebs… allowing celebs to add their political 2 cents worth… celeb feels smart, semi worldly powerful… and the politicians get to help make movie lines ideas and sometimes lines in songs… and feel “cool” like a celeb…. well it progressed… they upped the ante… oh its “cool” to be evil… oh he is way more evil than him… oh he’s way evil look what he just did,… oh ya think THATS evil? look what I just did…. but i messed the plan up. they wanted to avoid prosecution… blame lizards n drones. kill off a few clones of “evil” world leaders to make it look good to the public, blow up a “few” cloning centers and have same status quo BUT have a Jesus savior like figure to play religious figurehead and have me help them assert more control over the “ignorant masses” lol I could NEVER do that… death first. but i told them I would… they believed me wholeheartedly… i was desperate to escape,… I was so convincing… serenading Elizabeth the cannibal demon queen, like I loved her… I convinced myself… acted well… the world was depending on me,… it was so movie like feeling… like judgement day… From an early age I felt like I had a secret mission from God to infiltrate them accumulate information and destroy them from the inside out… everyone was scared… played evil… it was obvious… and it was because of Vrill. n drones… whoever was evil went far in life… so they all went super evil… and the lucifer stuff was like a stupid taboo club… oooh against the church oooh…. it was more taboo years ago when the church was more popular… now with finding out cannibalism gives u human equivalent of mad cows disease and inbreeding makes yer gene pool damaged they know lucifer stuff is all lies… lucifarian stuff sez cannibalism n inbreeding makes you powerful… killing n raping kids too… killing your own firstborn son in a ritual sacrifice… they know its all lies… they fear real God now…. recently said they realise their mistake… with prophecies and stuff… they said they didnt realize it but they are the fornicators mentioned in the Bible… and with all the metaphors in prophecies and stuff (there are a lot) they say they are afraid of actually going to whatever the lake of fire is… they fear the end of the world,… and Elizabeth fears a terrible end… sez her n Phillip get it bad… mentions them by name n everything… the great duke , even sez phillips name… and the harlot being Elizabeth,… her and her corrupted lords of filth and perversion n stuff… so NOW they wanna give up Vrill and come clean but they dont wanna get killed themselves… people been hinting about the parasites n stuff in movies n song your whole life… hoping someday it’d be cleaned up. Secret of Vrill is no longer a secret… It’s all coming together nicely,… all comes clean in the wash.
Advances in knowledge and related developments in the procedures of molecular biology, genetics and artificial fertilization have long made it possible to experiment with and successfully achieve the cloning of plants and animals.
Since the ’30s experiments have been made in producing identical individuals by artificial twin splitting, a procedure which can be improperly called cloning.
The practice of twin splitting in the zootechnical field has been spreading in experimental barns as an incentive to the multiple production of select exemplars.
In 1993 Jerry Hall and Robert Stilmann of George Washington University published data concerning the twin splitting they performed on human embryos of two, four and eight embryoblasts. These experiments were conducted without the prior consent of the appropriate Ethics Committee and were published, according to the authors, in order to stimulate the ethical debate.
The news published in the journal Nature, 27 February 1997, about the birth of the sheep Dolly through the efforts of the Scottish scientists Jan Vilmut and K.H.S. Campbell and their team at Edinburgh’s Roslin Institute, however, had an unusual effect on public opinion and led to statements being issued by committees and national and international authorities: this happened because it was something new and was considered troubling.
There are two new aspects of this event. The first is that it is not a question of splitting but of a radical innovation defined as cloning, that is, an asexual and agamic reproduction meant to produce individuals biologically identical to the adult which provided the nuclear genetic inheritance. The second is that until now this type of true and proper cloning was considered impossible. It was thought that the DNA in the somatic cells of the higher forms of animal life, having already undergone the imprinting of differentiation, could no longer recover their original totipotentiality and, consequently, their ability to direct the development of a new individual.
With the overcoming of this supposed impossibility, the way now seems open to human cloning, understood as the replication of one or more individuals somatically identical to the donor.
The event has rightly caused concern and alarm. But after an initial phase of unanimous opposition, some have wished to call attention to the need for guaranteeing freedom of research, for not demonizing progress. The prediction has even been made that the Catholic Church herself will one day accept cloning.
Now that some time has passed, it would be useful in a more detached way to examine closely the fact that has been noted as a disturbing event.
THE BIOLOGICAL FACTS
In its biological aspects as a form of artificial reproduction, cloning is achieved without the contribution of two gametes; therefore it is an asexual and agamic reproduction. Fertilization properly so-called is replaced by the “fusion” of a nucleus taken from a somatic cell of the individual one wishes to clone, or of the somatic cell itself, with an oocyte from which the nucleus has been removed, that is, an oocyte lacking the maternal genome. Since the nucleus of the somatic cell contains the whole genetic inheritance, the individual obtained possesses—except for possible alterations—the genetic identity of the nucleus’ donor. It is this essential genetic correspondence with the donor that produces in the new individual the somatic replica or copy of the donor itself.
The Edinburgh event occurred after 277 oocyte-donor nucleus fusions: only eight were successful, that is, only eight of the 277 started to develop as embryos and only one of these eight embryos reached birth: the lamb called Dolly.
Many doubts and questions remain about quite a few aspects of the experiment: for example, the possibility that among the 277 donor cells used there were some “staminals”, that is, cells endowed with a not totally differentiated genome; the role that could have been played by possibly residual mitochondrial DNA in the maternal ovum; and many other questions which the researchers, unfortunately, did not even attempt to address. However, it is still an event that goes beyond the forms of artificial fertilization known until now, which have always been performed by using two gametes.
It should be stressed that the development of individuals obtained by cloning, apart from eventual possible mutations—and there could be many—should produce a body structure very similar to that of the DNA donor: this is the most disturbing result, especially when the experiment is applied to the human species.
It should be noted however that, should the extension of cloning to the human species be desired, this duplication of body structure does not necessarily imply a perfectly identical person, understood in his ontological and psychological reality. The spiritual soul, which is the essential constituent of every subject belonging to the human species and is created directly by God, cannot be generated by the parents, produced by artificial fertilization or cloned. Furthermore, psychological development, culture and environment always lead to different personalities; this is a well-known fact even among twins, whose resemblance does not mean identity. The popular image or aura of omnipotence that accompanies cloning should at least be put into perspective.
Despite this impossibility of involving the spirit, which is the source of personality, the thought of human cloning has already led to the imagining of hypothetical cases inspired by the desire for omnipotence: duplicating individuals endowed with exceptional talent and beauty; reproducing the image of departed loved ones; selecting healthy individuals immune from genetic diseases; the possibility of choosing a person’s sex; producing selected frozen embryos to be transferred in utero at a later time to provide spare organs, etc.
By regarding these hypothetical cases as science fiction, proposals can soon be advanced for cloning considered “reasonable” or “compassionate”: the procreation of a child in a family whose father suffers from aspermia or to replace the dying child of a widowed mother; one could say that these cases have nothing to do with the fantasies of science fiction.
But what would be the anthropological significance of this activity in the deplorable prospect of applying it to man?
CONNECTED WITH HUMAN CLONING
Human cloning belongs to the eugenics project and is thus subject to all the ethical and juridical observations that have amply condemned it. As Hans Jonas has already written, it is both in method the most despotic and in aim the most slavish form of genetic manipulation; its objective is not an arbitrary modification of the hereditary material but precisely its equally arbitrary fixationin contrast to the dominant strategy of nature.
It represents a radical manipulation of the constitutive relationality and complementarity which is at the origin of human procreation in both its biological and strictly personal aspects. It tends to make bisexuality a purely functional left-over, given that an ovum must be used without its nucleus in order to make roomfor the clone-embryo and requires, for now, a female womb so that its development may be brought to term. This is how all the experimental procedures in zootechny are being conducted, thus changing the specific meaning of human reproduction.
In this vision we find the logic of industrial production: market research must be explored and promoted, experimentation refined, ever newer models produced.
Women are radically exploited and reduced to a few of their purely biological functions (providing ova and womb) and research looks to the possibility of constructing artificial wombs, the last step to fabricating human beings in the laboratory.
In the cloning process the basic relationships of the human person are perverted: filiation, consanguinity, kinship, parenthood. A woman can be the twin sister of her mother, lack a biological father and be the daughter of her grandfather. In vitro fertilization has already led to the confusion of parentage, but cloning will mean the radical rupture of these bonds.
As in every artificial activity, what occurs in nature is “mimicked” and “imitated”, but only at the price of ignoring how man surpasses his biological component, which moreover is reduced to those forms of reproduction that have characterized only the biologically simplest and least evolved organisms.
The idea is fostered that some individuals can have total dominion over the existence of others, to the point of programming their biological identity—selected according to arbitrary or purely utilitarian criteria—which, although not exhausting man’s personal identity, which is characterized by the spirit, is a constitutive part of it. This selective concept of man will have, among other things, a heavy cultural fallout beyond the—numerically limited—practice of cloning, since there will be a growing conviction that the value of man and woman does not depend on their personal identity but only on those biological qualities that can be appraised and therefore selected.
Human cloning must also be judged negative with regard to the dignity of the person cloned, who enters the world by virtue of being the “copy” (even if only a biological copy) of another being: this practice paves the way to the clone’s radical suffering, for his psychic identity is jeopardized by the real or even by the merely virtual presence of his “other”. Nor can we suppose that a conspiracy of silence will prevail, a conspiracy which, as Jonas already noted, would be impossible and equally immoral: since the “clone” was produced because he resembles someone who was “worthwhile” cloning, he will be the object of no less fateful expectations and attention, which will constitute a true and proper attack on his personal subjectivity.
If the human cloning project intends to stop “before” implantation in the womb, trying to avoid at least some of the consequences we have just indicated, it appears equally unjust from the moral standpoint.
A prohibition of cloning which would be limited to preventing the birth of a cloned child, but which would still permit the cloning of an embryo-foetus, would involve experimentation on embryos and foetuses and would require their suppression before birth—a cruel, exploitative way of treating human beings.
In any case, such experimentation is immoral because it involves the arbitrary use of the human body (by now decidedly regarded as a machine composed of parts) as a mere research tool. The human body is an integral part of every individual’s dignity and personal identity, and it is not permissible to use women as a source of ova for conducting cloning experiments.
It is immoral because even in the case of a clone, we are in the presence of a “man”, although in the embryonic stage.
All the moral reasons which led to the condemnation of in vitrofertilization as such and to the radical censure of in vitro fertilization for merely experimental purposes must also be applied to human cloning.
The “human cloning” project represents the terrible aberration to which value-free science is driven and is a sign of the profound malaise of our civilization, which looks to science, technology and the “quality of life” as surrogates for the meaning of life and its salvation.
The proclamation of the “death of God”, in the vain hope of a “superman”, produces an unmistakable result: the “death of man”. It cannot be forgotten that the denial of man’s creaturely status, far from exalting human freedom, in fact creates new forms of slavery, discrimination and profound suffering. Cloning risks being the tragic parody of God’s omnipotence. Man, to whom God has entrusted the created world, giving him freedom and intelligence, finds no limits to his action dictated solely by practical impossibility: he himself must learn how to set these limits by discerning good and evil. Once again man is asked to choose: it is his responsibility to decide whether to transform technology into a tool of liberation or to become its slave by introducing new forms of violence and suffering.
The difference should again be pointed out between the conception of life as a gift of love and the view of the human being as an industrial product.
Halting the human cloning project is a moral duty which must also be translated into cultural, social and legislative terms. The progress of scientific research is not the same as the rise of scientistic despotism, which today seems to be replacing the old ideologies. In a democratic, pluralistic system, the first guarantee of each individual’s freedom is established by unconditionally respecting human dignity at every phase of life, regardless of the intellectual or physical abilities one possesses or lacks. In human cloning the necessary condition for any society begins to collapse: that of treating man always and everywhere as an end, as a value, and never as a mere means or simple object.
AND FREEDOM OF RESEARCH
At the level of human rights, the possibility of human cloning represents a violation of the two fundamental principles on which all human rights are based: the principle of equality among human beings and the principle of non-discrimination.
Contrary to what may appear at first sight, the principle of parity and equality among human beings is violated by this possible form of man’s domination over man, and the discrimination comes about through the whole selective-eugenic dimension inherent in the logic of cloning. The Resolution of the European Parliament (12 March 1997) expressly states the violation of these two principles and forcefully appeals for the prohibition of human cloning and for the value of the dignity of the human person. Since 1983 the European Parliament and all the laws passed to legalize artificial procreation, even the most permissive, have always forbidden human cloning. It should be recalled that the Church’s Magisterium has condemned the possibility of human cloning, twin fission and parthenogenesis in the 1987 Instruction Donum vitae. The basic reasons for the inhuman nature of possible human cloning are not because it is an extreme form of artificial procreation in comparison to other legally approved forms, such as in vitro fertilization, etc.
As we have said, the reason for its rejection is that it denies the dignity of the person subjected to cloning and the dignity of human procreation.
The most urgent need now seems to be that of re-establishing the harmony between the demands of scientific research and indispensable human values. The scientist cannot regard the moral rejection of human cloning as a humiliation; on the contrary, this prohibition eliminates the demiurgic degeneration of research by restoring its dignity. The dignity of scientific research consists in the fact that it is one of the richest resources for humanity’s welfare.
Moreover, there is a place for research, including cloning, in the vegetable and animal kingdoms, wherever it answers a need or provides a significant benefit for man or for other living beings, provided that the rules for protecting the animal itself and the obligation to respect the biodiversity of species are observed.
When scientific research in man’s interest aims to cure diseases, to relieve suffering, to solve problems due to malnutrition, to make better use of the earth’s resources, it represents a hope for humanity, entrusted to the talent and efforts of scientists.
To enable biomedical science to maintain and strengthen its relationship with the true welfare of man and society, it is necessary to foster, as the Holy Father recalls in the Encyclical Evangelium vitae, a “contemplative outlook” on man himself and the world, with a vision of reality as God’s creation and in a context of solidarity between science, the good of the person and of society.
“It is the outlook of those who see life in its deeper meaning, who grasp its utter gratuitousness, its beauty and its invitation to freedom and responsibility. It is the outlook of those who do not presume to take possession of reality but instead accept it as a gift, discovering in all things the reflection of the Creator and seeing in every person his living image”