I just found a nice collection of Donald Marshall info summered in 8 minutes. These videos was lost and now someone did this great job so check it out:
I followed this guy awhile, but in his latest live-stream-chat he just lost it. He was kind of supporter of Donald Marshall info awhile, but then he turned against him. My own suspicions rose when he gained 1.5k subscribers to 15k. No-one can do that in Youtube unless you have some kind of connections to illuminati or whatever. And now we have a confirmation from Donald Marshall himself and here it is. So just skip this scumbag Alex Moon, Pac Lives or whatever…
“This is Alex Moon. AKA (Pac lives). He has a YouTube channel and from all appearances seemed to be helping me advertise and share my info. I joined in on his livestream chat room months ago sometimes. I didn’t like how he was berating and insulting some of the people in the chat and we had a falling out. Then I open my eyes at cloning and he was there. I didn’t know if it was actually him or an imposter. He demanded that I help him make songs for himself. He’s a failed rapper with not much skill. I said no. He said the Illuminati clones would torture me for songs for him if I didn’t agree. I refused. He pointed at me from the stands and said “torture him”. They said no, that they wouldn’t. He said he would commit suicide. He’s been threatening this to them since he had some close family members die. He’s on mental disability now due to this. Turns out he’s been at a different cloning center since he was a kid. He then said “Well tell him not to say anything bad about me”. They said “yeah Don. Don’t say anything bad about him. He’s had a bad time with the deaths in his family”. I said yeah ok. I didn’t know for certain if it was actually him. I joined another livestream chat of his and told him to tell people about his involvement at cloning. He called me many names. THEN HE SAID “Don’t worry guys, Donald can’t say anything too bad about me. He’s not allowed”. Then I knew it was him and I was pissed. I called him many names proving him wrong that night. He realized his mistake and erased that livestream right away. He’s bought subscriptions to his YouTube channel illegally. They allowed him to because they pity him. From 1.5k to 15k now. Same 20 viewers in his live-streams though. He is a desperate little worm that has been jumping at the chance to talk to or threaten me at cloning. I haven’t been at cloning often lately. Now he’s saying I’ve been droned and that I’m a liar, this and that. I just want everyone to know what he is all about and not be deceived by this scumbags lies. He’s one of the scummiest mental cases I’ve ever met in my life. I would never say this if it wasn’t true. Many people saw and heard him say that. Confirming that it was indeed him at cloning. In the end he is going to have a very bad time. He is down with the Illuminati and actually likes hanging at cloning with the celebrities. There is more to it. More said and done. But that is this crustacean in a nutshell. I’ve been warned not to oust him by the Illuminati. Too late. Let’s see what happens now.”
I have posted before cloning info via Donald Marshall posts, but now “they” or elite or what ever NWO are pushing cloning to your faces blatantly. Now the cat is out of the bag. This is it. They have revealed it to the public by allowing these celebrities talk about it. Talk about what? That they are just clones, elites clones to make money for them They can be scrapped and placed with a new one if they don’t dance with their pipes.
Here are some text from the company called Clonaid and they blatantly told you that they have cloned people from 2002. So What else can I say? The end is here, because “we” the real people will be obsolete if we allow this to continue. Donald Marshall told this to us in the year 2012 and we didn’t listen. Now it is on our faces…
Here are some excerpts form Cloneaid’s website:
Commending Michael Jackson’s ‘pioneer vision of cloning,’
LAS VEGAS, July 8 – After fielding numerous inquiries about the possible cloning of Michael Jackson, Dr. Brigitte Boisselier, head of Clonaid, today reaffirmed the company’s policy of strictly respecting the privacy of each of its patients.
“Clonaid prides itself on never releasing the identity of the numerous individuals who have been cloned in the past six years,” Boisselier said. “Even if that policy has been at the cost of my reputation, it’s important for us that the celebrities and other interested parties contacting us know they won’t be betrayed.”
Boisselier expressed admiration for Michael Jackson as an artist and also commended his courage in expressing support for human cloning at a time when it was getting much negative publicity in the press.
“Michael was a visionary who wasn’t afraid to embrace new technologies,” she said. “I’m glad his interest in cloning is being revealed now, since he was a pioneer in his views about it back in 2002 and his fans ought to know about it.”
“Human cloning is still making headlines six years after the birth of the first clone child,” Boisselier added. “But even if the media still present it as being too controversial, the public is much less afraid of it than it was initially. People have gotten used to the idea to the point where many see it as highly desirable. ”
She said that although the Clonaid team has received cloning requests from around the world, a surprisingly large number come from the Los Angeles/Hollywood area.
“Artists welcome our technology and have given us tremendous encouragement,” Boisselier noted. “Thanks to them, the public is getting more accustomed to the idea and hopefully the bans will soon be removed.”
She said Clonaid’s sister company, Stemaid, has launched an anti-aging program using stem cells derived from clone embryos.
“This development is also getting a good reception in the artists’ community,” she said.
The word “cloning” etymologically comes from the Greek and means “asexual reproduction”. Two types of human cloning need to be differentiated: therapeutic cloning and reproductive cloning.
Therapeutic cloning enables the creation of embryonic stem cells. Stem cells are multi-functional cells which can be further specialized into brain cells, liver cells etc. These stem cells are genetically identical to the ones of the original cell donor and can therefore be used to create specialized cells artificially in order to fight diseases and eventually even create genetically compatible organs.
Reproductive human cloning gives life to a new human being. Until recently only sexual reproduction or artificial reproduction techniques e.g. IVF existed. Reproductive cloning represents a new reproduction technique by which life can be given to an identical twin of the original cell donor.
Who is it for ?
Therapeutic cloning can be used to fight diseases and create organs artificially. Once specialized cells can be derived from cloned embryos the following diseases threatening millions of people on earth can be treated:
- Brain disorders like Parkinson and Alzheimer thanks to derived brain cells
- Diabetes thanks to derived insulin-producing pancreatic islet cells
- Spinal cord damage thanks to derived nerve cells<
- Autoimmune disorders such as multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis thanks to derived cells of blood and bone marrow Cancer
In addition, it will help to save the lives of the thousands of people worldwide waiting for an organ transplantation by helping to create artificial organs. Not only is it difficult today to obtain an organ but even if organs are available many are being rejected by the body because of incompatibility; let alone the brutal way some organs are being obtained i.e. by buying them from people in third world countries or even extracting them without the donor’s consent ! Therapeutic cloning will eventually provide genetically 100% compatible organs such as livers, kidneys etc. and therefore save the lives of those who would perish without it.
Reproductive human cloning helps:
- Infertile couples: we have helped many infertile couples who couldn’t have children even after years of infertility treatments. For those people cloning is the only way to have a child of their own genetic offspring.
- Homosexuals: they cannot have a child today that is 100% related to them genetically but human cloning provides this possibility for them.
- Families who lost a beloved relative: human cloning can give life a second time to the same genetic code who has died at an early age for example.
And if that is not enough here is ther interview of the rapper called Kid Buu and he just blatantly talks how he is a clone and Cucci the other rapper is a clone… so this is just stunnig. They just blew it wide open:
Here is an awesome video collection of Donald Marshall info, celebrity clones and vril droning. It wraps everything together and backs the info with other whistleblowers.
Please, watch the entire video to see the whole big picture. Thanks for supporting my site and spreading the Truth.
Just want to bring up couple of good videos, which contain pretty good Donald Marshall info. Check them out:
Donald Marshall (Fri. December 2, 2011) – George had them light me on fire for the end of his movie Revenge of the Sith, Said he wanted Hayden Christiensen to scream realisticly, Hayden watched me listened to me scream and groan in pain and copied the sounds exactly, he knows all about it. As does Natalie Portman, and a quarter of the cast. Many directors have used me like that, in a role playing situation, cause me some kind of excruciating pain just to see what kind of squeak or screech I will make, as if I were less than a dog, then when I’m a bloody mess on the floor they crawl on my broken body and sodomize me saying something like they love me and can’t control themselves because I made all they’re favorite songs and I’m so “special”. Broken ribs bending and internal bleeding, me crying or screaming if I am able, but they just keep on going and they videotape this so they can view it again like evil pornography.
Donald Marshall (January 2014) – They’re down with cloning,… I had to think up idea’s for both Bethesda and Lucas arts. George Lucas bothered me a lot there, thinking I was just going to die anyway. He’s gonna get it though.
Donald Marshall (Mon. June 24, 2013) – Star Wars concept is not an original idea, George Lucas extrapolated his intrepretation of the Nostradamus prophecy to make it. Just space age setting.
Same basic storyline
Donald Marshall (October 2012) – Vrill were accurately portrayed in the star wars movie (attack of the clones) they are ashamed of their appearance and wanted to see what people would say about them… it was George Lucas’s was of informing on them without informing, and without being killed.
Donald Marshall (October 2012) – George Lucas was told the long necked trolls wanted to be in a movie…. He put them in star wars attack of the clones. Kaminoans. Google image. Exact depiction.
Donald Marshall (October 2012) – Vrill were accurately portrayed in the star wars movie (attack of the clones) they are ashamed of their appearance and wanted to see what people would say about them… it was George Lucas’s was of informing on them without informing, and without being killed.
Question (November 2012) – You said Peter Jackson went to the Cloning Centre? This creepy guy let 27 horses die in the making of the Hobbit… What is he like at the Centre?
Donald Marshall – He acts like he’s a lord of the land and untouchable… george lucas and steven speilberg do too… all the rich ones do, until a politically powerful person talks down to them and then they hush up and look to the floor.
Donald Marshall (Tue. June 18, 2013) – They wanted to be seen in the movie Star Wars “attack of the clones” to gauge public opinion on their appearance… they used the best looking younger vrill type they could copy from.
Kaminoans they are called in the movie… they run a cloning operation in the movie LMAO!!!
George Lucas and the others at the clone zone were only too happy to put them in the movie… to identify them in future somehow…
Donald Marshall (April 2013) – they make the cartoon the clone wars… disney just bought the rights to star wars from george lucas, who also has a clone attends
all the biggest people in hollywood,… many are host…parasite hosts os lizards
Donald Marshall (Wed. July 24, 2013) – Moammar Ghaddafi was and IS STILL an illuminati puppet. But the Rebel leadership in Libya was ALSO illuminati run, just in case they need to replace Ghaddafi. So the illuminasty didn’t really care too much about Moammar getting ousted in Libya,… they just slip a new puppet on the hand after he’s gone and continue to run Libya how they want.
Donald Marshall (Fri. April 5, 2013) – Moammar Ghaddafi and Saddam Hussein were both dictators.
thats why they called Ghadaffi Colonel Ghadaffi because he and the army conducted a coup (military takeover) overthrowing the Shah of Libya at the time,… so in the interim until things settled down Colonel Ghadaffi had total say because of some law, and stayed colonel, disbanded the army and just stayed colonel like 40 years lol
Ghaddafi isn’t even dead, that was a clone they showed killed on the video, whole thing was set up.
Syro De-j – Donald have you got more info on this??? Ghaddafi isn’t even dead, that was a clone they showed killed on the video, whole thing was set up.
I have always felt this was the case, but cannot find info on it. Cheers brother
Donald Marshall – That’s because there is no info on it it’s supposed to be a secret lol
Michael J Kahnke (January 2014) – Hey, Donald Marshall.
Can you tell us a story about ‘Uncle Mo’? It turns out he had a Rape Station in his home where he traumatized 14-year-olds into being Sex Slaves. Apparently, he was no ‘Holy Dweller in Tents’.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/Uncovered-The-macabre-sex-cham… Uncovered: The macabre sex chamber of Libya’s Colonel Gaddafi where he raped girls – and boys – as young as 14
Donald Marshall – he’s still alive… that was a clone they killed… everyone that captured him were in on it… it was a big stageplay and he had his pain sensors turned off… you’ll never find the body. that kind of clone decomposes differently than a normal human body and then the farce would be known.
Talked to Moammar lot’s of times, since I was 5. He used to sit there and watch me make songs. He had lots of stuff underground. he supposedly had his own private cloning center over there… they’re not going to put that in the news though…
Moammar Ghaddafi used to pretend to be my friend there when I was a kid, only to make me the brunt of a or make himself look “cool” in some way… celebs thought I was some sort of freak with all the songs and ideas, right/ They wanted to watch me, see how I talk and Moammar would want to be in their feild of vision… because not too many of them want to talk to or look at him…lol
So i’d open my eyes as a kid and be in some car garage, and he wanted to show me all of his cars n shit… and theres 2 thugs and a cameraman there recording… the clones at the main cloning center wanted to watch to see what I thought of the cars…. and Moammar was only too happy to be in the camera frame…
they would all do that…. like… show off through me… then, they’re telling me all about their nefarious exploits in the world they’ve done… creepy things done to people and situations… just to show off for all the others there… and they tried to top each other like a contest lol…
Michael J Kahnke – So, the ‘takedown’ of Libya appeared to consist of a bunch of CIA-Alqueda operatives. From what little I read it looked like a systematic takedown with LOTS of foreign involvement. At some point, Ghaddafi’s departure was planned and executed, with Libya’s independent banking system destroyed. It looks like he cut a deal.
Donald Marshall – he did. supposed to be somewhere in Gaza now.
Donald Marshall (Sun. November 11, 2012) – Moammar Ghaddafi is there too,…smelliest clone I have ever encountered
Astral Light – Don talks about Gadaffi at 32:04 – 32:38 in the video below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh2u9x1E_To Donald Marshall’s First Interview
Donald Marshall (October 2012) – Elizabeth asking me how she will be spared… prime evils there looking for a way out… a contingency plan… they were certan I would sugarcoat,… and decieve the world… masquerade as Jesus in this master plan of theirs… I said I would,… then got my memory unrepressed and betrayed hard…🙂 🙂
All it takes is a push of a button on computer at the cloning center to unrepress your memory, and depending on how much content they sometimes have to gradually give you the back memories or you go nutsy. they WANTED me to expose vrill n drones… and cloning… but wanted to not kill all vrill n drones or shut down all cloning centers and sugarcoat events that transpire there… play the savior but help them run the world from a “shadow seat” in the stands of the cloning center, where the same stuff would happen but world would look to me as savior n stuff… they wanted to go along with prophecies and use me to control the population somewhat and try to institute rules they want and like be a religious figurehead…. now \i had been memory repressed for like 25 years since age 5 and really wanted to get out and get help, get it all stopped… contd—> they could somehow tell what your thinking sometimes,… they truth serum ya and scan yer brain with tech… now after watching murders and kids dyin eaten n stuff I knew I HAD to find a way… was imperative… but they knew how to get the truth… so kind of like stockholme syndrome, (love your captors) I had to half convince myself that I liked them, the organization and world leaders were my friends and surrogate family… I had to convince myself of this, (and it was difficult) because they test you so much to see if youll talk,… they dont care if you do its just they dont want to have to kill you… SO singing to them, slappin 5 with Moammar Ghaddafi there… all of them… I held them in awe with the songmaking ability,… I had to devise a way… cuz no one escapes… but I would find a way… cont’d—>they didnt want to kill me, they wanted to use me for their plan… but they wanted me IN on the plan… they wanted no complications…. SO was so monotonous… tested nightly for a while… had to psychologically convince myself they were my surrogate family… fool myself almost like… was the only way… they unrepressed my memory… I got smarter in real life and as a clone there… the memory repression was like sapping my intelligence by like 20-25%… they call it an awakening… doesn’t actually make u smarter, just gives you back smarts that are like withheld… think faster and clearer… before I had a haze on my brain that I thought everyone had… was there all the time so just was normal to me… haze is gone now… thats how it works. so found out all i needed to know, what it was who was in charge who ran stuff techs they had… \i’m like the worst curious george… when I figured I knew all neccessary info I let it loose… but didnt know where to go… beginning sucked… they were ready… only thing they dont have is internet… and theyre workin on that… they talk about anything and everything… see Brad Pitt is there…. Madonna is there…. and just about any super celeb u can think of is there… SO also the politicians are there, biggest world leaders…. this is where it went way haywire… politicians showing off power to pretty celebs… allowing celebs to add their political 2 cents worth… celeb feels smart, semi worldly powerful… and the politicians get to help make movie lines ideas and sometimes lines in songs… and feel “cool” like a celeb…. well it progressed… they upped the ante… oh its “cool” to be evil… oh he is way more evil than him… oh he’s way evil look what he just did,… oh ya think THATS evil? look what I just did…. but i messed the plan up. they wanted to avoid prosecution… blame lizards n drones. kill off a few clones of “evil” world leaders to make it look good to the public, blow up a “few” cloning centers and have same status quo BUT have a Jesus savior like figure to play religious figurehead and have me help them assert more control over the “ignorant masses” lol I could NEVER do that… death first. but i told them I would… they believed me wholeheartedly… i was desperate to escape,… I was so convincing… serenading Elizabeth the cannibal demon queen, like I loved her… I convinced myself… acted well… the world was depending on me,… it was so movie like feeling… like judgement day… From an early age I felt like I had a secret mission from God to infiltrate them accumulate information and destroy them from the inside out… everyone was scared… played evil… it was obvious… and it was because of Vrill. n drones… whoever was evil went far in life… so they all went super evil… and the lucifer stuff was like a stupid taboo club… oooh against the church oooh…. it was more taboo years ago when the church was more popular… now with finding out cannibalism gives u human equivalent of mad cows disease and inbreeding makes yer gene pool damaged they know lucifer stuff is all lies… lucifarian stuff sez cannibalism n inbreeding makes you powerful… killing n raping kids too… killing your own firstborn son in a ritual sacrifice… they know its all lies… they fear real God now…. recently said they realise their mistake… with prophecies and stuff… they said they didnt realize it but they are the fornicators mentioned in the Bible… and with all the metaphors in prophecies and stuff (there are a lot) they say they are afraid of actually going to whatever the lake of fire is… they fear the end of the world,… and Elizabeth fears a terrible end… sez her n Phillip get it bad… mentions them by name n everything… the great duke , even sez phillips name… and the harlot being Elizabeth,… her and her corrupted lords of filth and perversion n stuff… so NOW they wanna give up Vrill and come clean but they dont wanna get killed themselves… people been hinting about the parasites n stuff in movies n song your whole life… hoping someday it’d be cleaned up. Secret of Vrill is no longer a secret… It’s all coming together nicely,… all comes clean in the wash.
Advances in knowledge and related developments in the procedures of molecular biology, genetics and artificial fertilization have long made it possible to experiment with and successfully achieve the cloning of plants and animals.
Since the ’30s experiments have been made in producing identical individuals by artificial twin splitting, a procedure which can be improperly called cloning.
The practice of twin splitting in the zootechnical field has been spreading in experimental barns as an incentive to the multiple production of select exemplars.
In 1993 Jerry Hall and Robert Stilmann of George Washington University published data concerning the twin splitting they performed on human embryos of two, four and eight embryoblasts. These experiments were conducted without the prior consent of the appropriate Ethics Committee and were published, according to the authors, in order to stimulate the ethical debate.
The news published in the journal Nature, 27 February 1997, about the birth of the sheep Dolly through the efforts of the Scottish scientists Jan Vilmut and K.H.S. Campbell and their team at Edinburgh’s Roslin Institute, however, had an unusual effect on public opinion and led to statements being issued by committees and national and international authorities: this happened because it was something new and was considered troubling.
There are two new aspects of this event. The first is that it is not a question of splitting but of a radical innovation defined as cloning, that is, an asexual and agamic reproduction meant to produce individuals biologically identical to the adult which provided the nuclear genetic inheritance. The second is that until now this type of true and proper cloning was considered impossible. It was thought that the DNA in the somatic cells of the higher forms of animal life, having already undergone the imprinting of differentiation, could no longer recover their original totipotentiality and, consequently, their ability to direct the development of a new individual.
With the overcoming of this supposed impossibility, the way now seems open to human cloning, understood as the replication of one or more individuals somatically identical to the donor.
The event has rightly caused concern and alarm. But after an initial phase of unanimous opposition, some have wished to call attention to the need for guaranteeing freedom of research, for not demonizing progress. The prediction has even been made that the Catholic Church herself will one day accept cloning.
Now that some time has passed, it would be useful in a more detached way to examine closely the fact that has been noted as a disturbing event.
THE BIOLOGICAL FACTS
In its biological aspects as a form of artificial reproduction, cloning is achieved without the contribution of two gametes; therefore it is an asexual and agamic reproduction. Fertilization properly so-called is replaced by the “fusion” of a nucleus taken from a somatic cell of the individual one wishes to clone, or of the somatic cell itself, with an oocyte from which the nucleus has been removed, that is, an oocyte lacking the maternal genome. Since the nucleus of the somatic cell contains the whole genetic inheritance, the individual obtained possesses—except for possible alterations—the genetic identity of the nucleus’ donor. It is this essential genetic correspondence with the donor that produces in the new individual the somatic replica or copy of the donor itself.
The Edinburgh event occurred after 277 oocyte-donor nucleus fusions: only eight were successful, that is, only eight of the 277 started to develop as embryos and only one of these eight embryos reached birth: the lamb called Dolly.
Many doubts and questions remain about quite a few aspects of the experiment: for example, the possibility that among the 277 donor cells used there were some “staminals”, that is, cells endowed with a not totally differentiated genome; the role that could have been played by possibly residual mitochondrial DNA in the maternal ovum; and many other questions which the researchers, unfortunately, did not even attempt to address. However, it is still an event that goes beyond the forms of artificial fertilization known until now, which have always been performed by using two gametes.
It should be stressed that the development of individuals obtained by cloning, apart from eventual possible mutations—and there could be many—should produce a body structure very similar to that of the DNA donor: this is the most disturbing result, especially when the experiment is applied to the human species.
It should be noted however that, should the extension of cloning to the human species be desired, this duplication of body structure does not necessarily imply a perfectly identical person, understood in his ontological and psychological reality. The spiritual soul, which is the essential constituent of every subject belonging to the human species and is created directly by God, cannot be generated by the parents, produced by artificial fertilization or cloned. Furthermore, psychological development, culture and environment always lead to different personalities; this is a well-known fact even among twins, whose resemblance does not mean identity. The popular image or aura of omnipotence that accompanies cloning should at least be put into perspective.
Despite this impossibility of involving the spirit, which is the source of personality, the thought of human cloning has already led to the imagining of hypothetical cases inspired by the desire for omnipotence: duplicating individuals endowed with exceptional talent and beauty; reproducing the image of departed loved ones; selecting healthy individuals immune from genetic diseases; the possibility of choosing a person’s sex; producing selected frozen embryos to be transferred in utero at a later time to provide spare organs, etc.
By regarding these hypothetical cases as science fiction, proposals can soon be advanced for cloning considered “reasonable” or “compassionate”: the procreation of a child in a family whose father suffers from aspermia or to replace the dying child of a widowed mother; one could say that these cases have nothing to do with the fantasies of science fiction.
But what would be the anthropological significance of this activity in the deplorable prospect of applying it to man?
CONNECTED WITH HUMAN CLONING
Human cloning belongs to the eugenics project and is thus subject to all the ethical and juridical observations that have amply condemned it. As Hans Jonas has already written, it is both in method the most despotic and in aim the most slavish form of genetic manipulation; its objective is not an arbitrary modification of the hereditary material but precisely its equally arbitrary fixationin contrast to the dominant strategy of nature.
It represents a radical manipulation of the constitutive relationality and complementarity which is at the origin of human procreation in both its biological and strictly personal aspects. It tends to make bisexuality a purely functional left-over, given that an ovum must be used without its nucleus in order to make roomfor the clone-embryo and requires, for now, a female womb so that its development may be brought to term. This is how all the experimental procedures in zootechny are being conducted, thus changing the specific meaning of human reproduction.
In this vision we find the logic of industrial production: market research must be explored and promoted, experimentation refined, ever newer models produced.
Women are radically exploited and reduced to a few of their purely biological functions (providing ova and womb) and research looks to the possibility of constructing artificial wombs, the last step to fabricating human beings in the laboratory.
In the cloning process the basic relationships of the human person are perverted: filiation, consanguinity, kinship, parenthood. A woman can be the twin sister of her mother, lack a biological father and be the daughter of her grandfather. In vitro fertilization has already led to the confusion of parentage, but cloning will mean the radical rupture of these bonds.
As in every artificial activity, what occurs in nature is “mimicked” and “imitated”, but only at the price of ignoring how man surpasses his biological component, which moreover is reduced to those forms of reproduction that have characterized only the biologically simplest and least evolved organisms.
The idea is fostered that some individuals can have total dominion over the existence of others, to the point of programming their biological identity—selected according to arbitrary or purely utilitarian criteria—which, although not exhausting man’s personal identity, which is characterized by the spirit, is a constitutive part of it. This selective concept of man will have, among other things, a heavy cultural fallout beyond the—numerically limited—practice of cloning, since there will be a growing conviction that the value of man and woman does not depend on their personal identity but only on those biological qualities that can be appraised and therefore selected.
Human cloning must also be judged negative with regard to the dignity of the person cloned, who enters the world by virtue of being the “copy” (even if only a biological copy) of another being: this practice paves the way to the clone’s radical suffering, for his psychic identity is jeopardized by the real or even by the merely virtual presence of his “other”. Nor can we suppose that a conspiracy of silence will prevail, a conspiracy which, as Jonas already noted, would be impossible and equally immoral: since the “clone” was produced because he resembles someone who was “worthwhile” cloning, he will be the object of no less fateful expectations and attention, which will constitute a true and proper attack on his personal subjectivity.
If the human cloning project intends to stop “before” implantation in the womb, trying to avoid at least some of the consequences we have just indicated, it appears equally unjust from the moral standpoint.
A prohibition of cloning which would be limited to preventing the birth of a cloned child, but which would still permit the cloning of an embryo-foetus, would involve experimentation on embryos and foetuses and would require their suppression before birth—a cruel, exploitative way of treating human beings.
In any case, such experimentation is immoral because it involves the arbitrary use of the human body (by now decidedly regarded as a machine composed of parts) as a mere research tool. The human body is an integral part of every individual’s dignity and personal identity, and it is not permissible to use women as a source of ova for conducting cloning experiments.
It is immoral because even in the case of a clone, we are in the presence of a “man”, although in the embryonic stage.
All the moral reasons which led to the condemnation of in vitrofertilization as such and to the radical censure of in vitro fertilization for merely experimental purposes must also be applied to human cloning.
The “human cloning” project represents the terrible aberration to which value-free science is driven and is a sign of the profound malaise of our civilization, which looks to science, technology and the “quality of life” as surrogates for the meaning of life and its salvation.
The proclamation of the “death of God”, in the vain hope of a “superman”, produces an unmistakable result: the “death of man”. It cannot be forgotten that the denial of man’s creaturely status, far from exalting human freedom, in fact creates new forms of slavery, discrimination and profound suffering. Cloning risks being the tragic parody of God’s omnipotence. Man, to whom God has entrusted the created world, giving him freedom and intelligence, finds no limits to his action dictated solely by practical impossibility: he himself must learn how to set these limits by discerning good and evil. Once again man is asked to choose: it is his responsibility to decide whether to transform technology into a tool of liberation or to become its slave by introducing new forms of violence and suffering.
The difference should again be pointed out between the conception of life as a gift of love and the view of the human being as an industrial product.
Halting the human cloning project is a moral duty which must also be translated into cultural, social and legislative terms. The progress of scientific research is not the same as the rise of scientistic despotism, which today seems to be replacing the old ideologies. In a democratic, pluralistic system, the first guarantee of each individual’s freedom is established by unconditionally respecting human dignity at every phase of life, regardless of the intellectual or physical abilities one possesses or lacks. In human cloning the necessary condition for any society begins to collapse: that of treating man always and everywhere as an end, as a value, and never as a mere means or simple object.
AND FREEDOM OF RESEARCH
At the level of human rights, the possibility of human cloning represents a violation of the two fundamental principles on which all human rights are based: the principle of equality among human beings and the principle of non-discrimination.
Contrary to what may appear at first sight, the principle of parity and equality among human beings is violated by this possible form of man’s domination over man, and the discrimination comes about through the whole selective-eugenic dimension inherent in the logic of cloning. The Resolution of the European Parliament (12 March 1997) expressly states the violation of these two principles and forcefully appeals for the prohibition of human cloning and for the value of the dignity of the human person. Since 1983 the European Parliament and all the laws passed to legalize artificial procreation, even the most permissive, have always forbidden human cloning. It should be recalled that the Church’s Magisterium has condemned the possibility of human cloning, twin fission and parthenogenesis in the 1987 Instruction Donum vitae. The basic reasons for the inhuman nature of possible human cloning are not because it is an extreme form of artificial procreation in comparison to other legally approved forms, such as in vitro fertilization, etc.
As we have said, the reason for its rejection is that it denies the dignity of the person subjected to cloning and the dignity of human procreation.
The most urgent need now seems to be that of re-establishing the harmony between the demands of scientific research and indispensable human values. The scientist cannot regard the moral rejection of human cloning as a humiliation; on the contrary, this prohibition eliminates the demiurgic degeneration of research by restoring its dignity. The dignity of scientific research consists in the fact that it is one of the richest resources for humanity’s welfare.
Moreover, there is a place for research, including cloning, in the vegetable and animal kingdoms, wherever it answers a need or provides a significant benefit for man or for other living beings, provided that the rules for protecting the animal itself and the obligation to respect the biodiversity of species are observed.
When scientific research in man’s interest aims to cure diseases, to relieve suffering, to solve problems due to malnutrition, to make better use of the earth’s resources, it represents a hope for humanity, entrusted to the talent and efforts of scientists.
To enable biomedical science to maintain and strengthen its relationship with the true welfare of man and society, it is necessary to foster, as the Holy Father recalls in the Encyclical Evangelium vitae, a “contemplative outlook” on man himself and the world, with a vision of reality as God’s creation and in a context of solidarity between science, the good of the person and of society.
“It is the outlook of those who see life in its deeper meaning, who grasp its utter gratuitousness, its beauty and its invitation to freedom and responsibility. It is the outlook of those who do not presume to take possession of reality but instead accept it as a gift, discovering in all things the reflection of the Creator and seeing in every person his living image”
Pretty much sums it up:
“Clone centers operate 24/7, people get activated and deactivated all the time.
They have rooms set up, decorated differently, some are simple, bare concrete walls.When in storage and not being used, the clones are stored on racks like stainless steel bunk beds set into the walls underneath or on the same level.
While on the racks they have a feeding tube that goes down the throat, it has beige tasteless nutritional supplement like Ensure or Boost milkshakes. Without solid food, the clone bodies feel cramped up and sick after a while and even though they’ll only use this REM driven mark 2 clone for a few months, they still eat solid food sometimes.Surprisingly enough, most eat french fries and hot dogs… They have french fry cooking kiosks under the stands, that they sometimes have operating, and with the hot dogs it’s just that they’re quick and easy and cheap. They have a large amount of hot dogs.
Even celebs that would never eat a hot dog, they still eat them sometimes there as clones… just to fill their gut, the clone they are in, will be replaced there in a few months anyway….
They have eaten lots of stuff… children being one.
Celebs don’t get hurt there unless they threaten to talk or attempt to blackmail.
There are low and high level people there.A worker class.Slaves and victimizers.
There is a couple real people in the main control room, but u can’t get to them…They can de-activate all clones on the floor at the same time with the push of a button.
All the clones there have a variety of implants installed.
They can turn the pain receptors in a clone body on or off….the scale is 0 (numb) to 10 full pain…. but they can crank it to 25 if they want, higher than the normal threshold for human pain.
They can that with pleasure sensors too…becomes painful with the pleasure sensors locked on.It’s all done through an implant that every clone has.Advanced technology.
They can also single out a clone and push a button to electrify them until they light on fire and burn to cinders if they want…. lots of remote controlled features.
When the real body wakes up,their clone deactivates and drops to the floor.” ⬇️